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Post by donpinsent on Feb 9, 2005 7:45:03 GMT -5
hope you guys don't mind me being brutally honest:
zeiglar- sorry, not seeing it. if not for his trademark ridiculous giant hat and ugly shirt, i wouldn't have known whom you were drawing. i think pretty much all of garth's features are much rounder than the angular shapes you've got here. on the positive side, though, nice use of crayons. i'm sure it's not a really easy medium to work in. i still haven't gotten time to start on the one you challenged me with, but i'm feeling a little intimidated by the idea of using crayons.
larry- not too bad. i think it's clear enough that that's george lucas. only downside i would say is that the arms seem to be coming out of the middle of their rib cages rather than the shoulder joint. oh, and george appears to be down in a trench or something. or was that your intention?
dm- also not bad. i recognized it as regis, but there's still something i can't quite seem to put my finger on that's not quite right about it. but i know regis is a harder one to get right. i like the sketchy style.
oddnoggle- hmmm.... not sure. i think renee zellweger would have been my guess as well. except you've drawn a long neck where renee has almost none.
mikey- excellent. i can't see anything to say is wrong here. nice work.
erik- what do you think larry is implying when he says he only guessed oddnoggle's drawing was of jenna jameson because you requested it?
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Post by Larry on Feb 9, 2005 11:17:53 GMT -5
Very Nice job Mikey, outstanding!
Don, yeah, I have to start practicing things likes arms and hands now, haven't had to worry much about them til now. Actually it kind of was my intention to show George down lower than Yoda. I figured I'd have to show Yoda (which I drew first) standing on a rock or something to even the playing field. When I was finished with him there was only the lower left corner of the paper in which to place Lucas. I really wasn''t looking for a ditch per se, but that's sure the way it looks. Thanks for your comments Don. Regarding Erik Tilander, my comment was driven by his earlier remarks about some guy named Ron Jeremy, not that I would have any idea who he is, oh no; I had to do a google search to find out.
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Post by Frank Zieglar on Feb 9, 2005 13:46:49 GMT -5
You're right Don - if it wasn't for the accessories I don't think Garth would be recognizable. I'm going to try him again one day.
Odd - I'd say Renee Zelwegger.
Larry - Yoda can fly/levitate!
Good job everybody.
><> Frank Zieglar <><
-- For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. -- II TIM 1:7
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Post by oddnoggle on Feb 9, 2005 13:54:42 GMT -5
I think I will give it another go as no one can guess it from what I've drawn-
hint* not rene zelleweger
;D
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Post by Larry on Feb 9, 2005 14:07:04 GMT -5
Larry - Yoda can fly/levitate! Frank, I never knew that. I never was a Star Wars fan, saw the original and that was more than enough for me. By the way, I still think you did a good Garth Brooks; recognized him even without the hat. Oddnoggle, one more guess: Geena Davis? |
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Post by oddnoggle on Feb 9, 2005 14:09:56 GMT -5
bravo Larry,
you guessed her..
;D
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Post by lifedoesntimitate on Feb 9, 2005 14:46:17 GMT -5
Mikey-
I love it! I'm not going to say it's exactly how I pictured it because I honestly try not to picture how these things will turn out. I will say that if I had pictured it, I hope I would have pictured it the way you did it. Great, great job!! Thank you very much. I hope you had fun doing it.
Don-
I'm not speaking for everyone here, but my two cents is that I crave the critique that people like you give. There really shouldn't be any other kind than brutally honest. I know that when I put stuff up here, people are going to judge it. It's inevitable; it's natural. I might as well get to hear what those thoughts are, so I can possibly better myself next time. A quick question, actually for everybody who gives feedback: do you all mind after giving feedback getting questions from the artist about what specifically they might do differently and how they might go about doing that ?
To whom it may concern-
Anybody know what's going on with dschmittle (sp?)? I haven't heard about my M2M challenge yet. Just curious.
-- Eric
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Post by etilander on Feb 9, 2005 17:22:22 GMT -5
A couple quick things. First, I'm still waiting for a challenge, so vidal1951, if you're out there, send me a person and a technique so I can get started. Second, I like critiques of everyone's stuff too. Sure at first I might moan about people saying "And what's that you drew in the middle of his face....it doesn't LOOK like a nose..." but n caricature, anyone should be able to guess who you've drawn, and what features they have. Oddnoggle, with the Geena Davis, I may have been a bit biased by knowing who it was, but I thought it was great. The mouth and teeth, and the way you drew them, sold me on it being Geena. And last, but not least, Larry. Honestly, I have no idea where you got that idea of me. Ron and Jenna who? I have no idea who you mean. I've never seen their films, especially none they've done together... or in groups, and REALLY especially not the one where she took his...uhh...and, um, put it in her.....uh...well.........with the...ummm...battery operated..............what was I talking about?........HEY, LOOK AT THE NOSE DON PUT ON JOE PESCI!!!(sounds of feet quickly running away)
Erik.
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Post by Mikey on Feb 9, 2005 18:34:09 GMT -5
LifeDoesntImitate - glad you liked it. If was fun
Mikey
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Post by Frank Zieglar on Feb 9, 2005 23:37:30 GMT -5
The C&C (remember that 2nd C is there for a reason). The praise is important too not just nothing but critique all the time - or we would get discouraged. The crits are what make a board worthwhile - I can always get a pat on the back from somewhere. A specific crit is always more helpful than a generalization - but sometimes its hard to put a finger on what it is that just ain't cliking in a drawing. That's why I don't crit more often - I'm not good at spotting/verbaling that specific thing that is 'off' to me. When offering crits it always good to make a CRIT SANDWHICH - yummy! Crit Sandwhich Recipe:Compliment - Crit - Compliment Notice how Don does it. He doesn't just come out and insult you, he's subtle about it  - JK. Look at what he said to me... 1) Starts with an apology - he takes the time to offer me some advice and apologizes for it. 2) Mocks Garth's gimmicks - not my drawing. 3) Gives some solid/specific reasons why he thinks the drawing is weak. 4) Compliments the use of the medium - the work itself, even though the likeness is off. 5) Finishes off with his wariness of having to use the same medium. Don is practically a master of the C&C. It's like he has had lessons or something. Odd - I know the name, Geena Davis, but off the top of my head I can't remember what she looks like. What was she in? Renee has been more prominent lately which might be why I tought of her. I did like the drawing though - what marker did you use? Larry - Yoda may not fly like Superman but he can out levitate David Blaine any day of the week. ;D In one of the movies I belive he was flipping about all over the place during a fight scene. I'm more of a Trekkie than a Warrie?, but every caricaturist has a duty, nay a scared obligation to be as knowledgable as possible of stupid pop culture stuff that we otherwise wouldn't care for. What would happen if the little tyke wanted to be drawn like Darth Maul - "sorry kid you mean Vader, I ain't never heard of no Darth Mall!" What about us comic book geeks that want to be drawn like The Amazing Spider-Man (and yes that must be hyphenated) - I can't tell you how many times I've seen that costume ruined because the caricaturist didn't take time to learn what it looks like. So go forth unto all the ends of the Earth and watch every stupid movie (with the exception of any movie with Ron Jeremy) and join in every stupid fad and learn the ways of the mindless masses - and tell your wife "I haaaaaaaaaavvvvve to - it's business, baby. And that's not porn - it's reference." ><> Frank Zieglar <>< -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has a price, or that the price is always so low. -- Hobbes |
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Post by Larry on Feb 10, 2005 0:13:59 GMT -5
Hi Frank. Actually, I've not heard of David Blaine, can you fill me in? And I've never heard of Darth Maul either (I have, of course, heard of Darth Vader though). I too, am more of a Trekkie, but I'm not fanatical about it; and it's the original TV series and the movies with Shatner et al that I'm a fan of. Funny thing, I never watched it in its original run (came on at 8:00 PM on Friday nights, and that's when I was out of the house (I was between 15 and 19 years old in those days.) Never been a fan of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, etc. I'll be honest here: with a few exceptions, I hate pop culture, always have.
Regarding Geena Davis (and I'm answering for oddnoggle now) she was in "A League Of Their Own", the remake of "The FLY" with Jeff Goldblum, and "Thelma and Louise" among others.
By the way, what exactly do the C's in "C&C" stand for? Critiques and criticisms? (sounds redundant to me). Critiques and compliments? (I can't imagine anyone on this board actually ASKING for compliments; HOPING for compliments, sure; ASKING for compliments, no). You would think I would know this by now, but I don't.
Live long and prosper, Zieglar. \\ //,
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Post by lifedoesntimitate on Feb 10, 2005 2:58:18 GMT -5
Larry--
Thought I'd help out a bit. David Blaine is a street magician primarily. It's sort of his claim to fame. He does television specials where he approaches people on the street and performs illusions. The idea is that it's more special because he couldn't possibly be using "smoke and mirrors" since it's right there in front of you. Speaking as a member of the magic community, he's nothing special. Most magicians worth their salt can perform the tricks as well as him. The only difference is they don't have their own TV special. Anyway, in his first special, his big finale was that he levitated off the ground. (Don't even get me started on why that wasn't as nifty as his producers made it out to be.) Wow, I'm uber cranky tonight for some reason.
Darth Maul was the Big Bad in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. I'm also not a big Star Wars fan, but I have seen Episodes I and II.
Now, do you hate pop culture intentionally, or does it just happen to be that most things that are popular tend not to interest you?
On Geena Davis: you forgot to mention that she nearly bankrupted a studio with the big budget/little revenue flop Cutthroat Island.
I've always thought that C & C stood for comments and critiques, but I may be wrong.
Hope this helps.
-- Eric
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Post by dmcaricature on Feb 10, 2005 10:30:23 GMT -5
Don: yer right about my Regis. he is a challenge. It seems like his features need to be mostly compressed. it also seems that you have been critiqued on your critiquing?  personally I like the pat on the back from folks in here, and any comments on my stuff good or bad are better than none at all. Mikey - we seem to share the love of line! in some of our pieces! Your Astin is nicely done however for some reason I would have liked to have seen a smaller body. super line quality and variation... |
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Post by Frank Zieglar on Feb 10, 2005 13:01:39 GMT -5
C&C - I don't think there is a definate term, but is generally considered 'Critiques and Comments'. Not 'Critiques and Compliments'  - my point is that it's not just crits. In case I wasn't clear - Don is very good at C&C. Pop culture - I usally have other interests, but it is popular stuff. If you caricature for the public; then it is a good idea to be familiar (at least visually) with the main items of whats hot. I've drawn people as Darth Vader, as Jedis, as LOTR characters, comic book characters, sports, etc... I'm not big on sports myself, but I know enough to draw the basic body/background of different sports. ><> Frank Zieglar <>< -- It's easy to make a buck. It's a lot tougher to make a difference. -- Tom Brokaw |
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Post by Larry on Feb 10, 2005 15:43:33 GMT -5
LifeDoes..., I went overboard with statement of hating pop culture. What I should have said was that I hate elements of it. The ins and outs of it are really the topic for a different forum. Having said that, I believe that for the most part any element of pop culture isn't pop culture for what it is, but rather for how well it's packaged, promoted, and sold, and it's potential for HUGE profitability; intrinsic value is not a consideration. Music is my biggest gripe. Music is the one long-lasting passion of my life, and after seeing MTV for the first time so many years ago I predicted it would be the downfall of good music ("good music", of course, meaning my own personal standard). I believe my prediction came true, and much sooner than I would have thought. I think that for the new artists these days the sonic importance of the song itself takes a back seat to the often spastic and irrelevant images that go into the video, i.e. the intent is to have the video sell the song rather than have the song sell the song. This has actually worked in my favor though as these days I'm able to go out and see *real* musical artists perform in smaller, more intimate venues, and ticket prices that I wouldn't even give a second thought. Sorry for the soap-boxing.
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- JK. Look at what he said to me...
- my point is that it's not just crits.